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Monday, October 1, 2012

Beyond Dutroux ties to 1950s-era CIA covert operation


Beyond Dutroux ties to 1950s-era CIA covert operation 
Plus: the mysterious "Dr. Green" identified November 25, 2009
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Contents
Round and round
Incredible parallels; cameras and mirrors
Mind Control history 101
MK-ULTRA subproject x: sexual blackmail
Integrating Claudia Mullen into timeline
I give you... "Dr. Green" aka Luther Wilson Greene
Summary
Round and round Amazing, without really wanting it, I keep looping back to the things I wrote down in the Beyond Dutroux and Nebula articles.
If you didn't know it already, I seem to have an interest in anything that is unorthodox. A couple of months ago, having been done with this site and having a break from regular studies, I was reading and summarizing the work of Dr. Brian Weiss, Dr. Michael Newton, Dr. Joe Slate, etc. all at the forefront of - yes - reincarnation therapy (and let's not forget the work of Dr. Ian Stevenson). As a result I wanted to understand more about how hypnosis and trance states work - so I looked at Amazon and about the only somewhat interesting book I found had been written in 1990 by a Doctor named D. Corydon Hammond entitled Handbook of Hypnotic Suggestions and Metaphors.
This is funny, because Dr. Hammond appears in footnote 300 of my Beyond Dutroux article. As one of the top people in the American Society of Clinical Hypnosis and one of the world's foremost experts in the field, it's interesting that two years after publishing the book mentioned above, Hammond held an apparently totally-off-the-wall speech to therapists of child and ritual abuse.
Hammond, who has worked with thousands of clients, spoke about a clandestine intelligence group which since the end of World War II had been trying to create a mind-controlled assassin, i.e. so-called "Manchurian Candidate". The basic idea behind mind control is to create multiple personalities in a subject, causing a psychological disorder known as Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID).
Not much has been published on this subject, so there may be ways that are not known by the public, but one sure way to create multiple personalities reliably is as follows: take a young child and you expose it to the most horrific sexual and physical abuse imaginable. Do that and you can start playing around with all the different, individual personalities.
This was not a problem, according to Dr. Hammond, as the main person overseeing this research was a scientist, a "Dr. Green", who had done this type of experiments for the Nazis. At the end of World War II, he was brought over to the United States by the group that would soon form the CIA (and who has been familiar with ISGP's writings knows it was only FDR and public opinion that kept this group from working with the Nazis against communism).
Ironically, the scientist in question had a Jewish background and while doing his experimenting, he inserted a lot of Cabalist symbolism in his programming. Over the years this programming became very complex and even dangerous to work with for "deprogramming" therapists. Dr. Hammond had picked up on this and tried to explain the process to fellow therapists back in 1992.
In his 1992 speech, Dr. Hammond did not identify the "Dr. Green" or "Greenbaum" who was doing most of the programming. As I had no real interest to dive very deep in mind control research, because of the stigma attached to it and because of all the nonsense in the traditional conspiracy community, I didn't look further and focused on other cases that had possible ties to the Dutroux X-Dossier case; Finders, Michael Aquino, the Franklin Affair, Craig Spence, etc.
Because I did my best to stay clear of going back to anything related to ISGP, I did not buy Hammond's book and in fact, went to do something entirely different. Another month went by when I asked a person for some of his David Guetta music. Besides David Guetta, I ended up receiving the work of band called Muse. Now, Muse is a band that I find incredibly boring. The only thing interesting about it is that they have numbers with names as "Exogenesis" and "MK-ULTRA". Laughing about this a bit, I typed in "MK-ULTRA" in Youtube... and there we went again.
Incredible parallels; cameras and mirrors 
For some reason I had never seen the testimonies of Claudia S. Mullen, Christine DeNicola Ebner and their therapist Valerie Wolf in front of the Presidential Advisory Committee on Human Radiation Experiments in March of 1995. Mullen and Ebner claimed to have been victims of sexual abuse and mind control, a program apparently overseen by many of the same persons who were involved in illegal radiation experiments on unwitting victims. These testimonies were not given any attention in the press, but in context of the Beyond Dutroux article they are extremely interesting.
In Beyond Dutroux we cited X1 as having said:
"In Brussels there was a villa in which a room was set up with built-in cameras. Even in the 1970s these cameras were so discrete that only the people who maintained them and the child- prostitutes knew where they were located... Why did I had to get those guys clearly in the picture, why was I supposed to get them to hit me and brutally rape me? Why was 'regular' sex often not enough?... Blackmail, the word that was never mentioned, I only started to really understand when I was thirteen, fourteen years old...
"The pimps also had another tactic. They invited a person who could be useful to them. They went to dine with him, and took him - after he had been liquored up - to a 'party'. Men from the top layer of society are used to visiting or getting offered prostitutes. They usually knew that something like this would follow, and the prostitutes they would see upon entering would be slightly older girls, between 16 [sexually mature in Belgium] and 18 years old. More booze and cocaine would be supplied, for ambience. And only then the 'prey' would be taken to a room where a younger girl was waiting, like me, then."
Not mentioned previously on this site, but brought to my attention by the person who created a Youtube film for ISGP's Beyond Dutroux, is the following statement by X1:
"Don't get me wrong. I took part in a lot of murderous orgies (as a forced child prostitute), but more often in orgies that had no aim except blackmail. The hard core consisted of about forty people, at most. There were a few hundred blackmail victims, perhaps thousands. What I find most serious is that these people have kept quiet. What did they do that was so bad? They slept a few times with a 15- or 16-year-old girl sometimes not even consciously and they know that there are photos. Why don't they speak? Why don't they help?"
When listening to the testimony of Claudia S. Mullen about an event that took place in 1959, you can hear the following:
"The next year, I was sent to a place in Maryland called Deep Creek Cabins to learn how "to sexually please men." Also, I was taught how to coerce them into talking about themselves. It
Mullen
Claudia Mullen, during committee hearing.
was Richard Helms, who was Deputy Director of the CIA; Dr. Gottlieb; Captain George White and Morse Allen, who all planned on filming as many high government and agency officials and heads of academic institutions and foundations as possible; so that later, when the funding for mind control and radiation started to dwindle, projects would continue. I was used to entrap many unwitting men, including themselves, all with the use of a hidden camera. I was only 9 years old when this kind of sexual humiliation began."

Mullen provided more details in a follow-up interview:

"The CIA kept hotel rooms in two of the best hotels in New Orleans,
and year around, they kept a suite. It was unique in that it had two bedrooms and one bedroom was where they kept the hidden cameras and I was actually shown the hidden cameras by three men who handled that part of it. They called him Captain George White - he was formerly a doctor. He used to be in the narcotics squad in California and then he became a doctor, and joined the CIA. And then there were two other men who worked with him. They would put me with the subjects who would be filmed (the men) and then when the men would come into town -- I am talking about local politicians, government officials -- anybody who they needed to possibly get something on, keep on file for future reference -- should they need to coerce this person into supporting the projects. Senators, congressmen, anything like that -- if they were in town, they were given this room. They had no reason to think there was anything strange about the room. It didn't look any different than any other room -- it was just one of the better suites in the two hotels. ...
"When I was first told this I was nine and I went to the Deep Creek Cabins in Maryland. That's when I was taught I was going to be part of this project, I had been accepted into this project, that I had been accepted into this project that would help the government stop Communism..."
Well, aren't that some interesting parallels?
Mind Control history 101
A lot of people might be skeptical that so called "mind control" research has taken place. Rest assured, this is a fact. Details came out in the 1970s and were mentioned in the major newspapers, as well as several investigative committees that were set up at the time.
The vast majority of files on mind control were destroyed by outgoing CIA director Richard Helms in 1973. A large chunk of other files have never been released and it's entirely possible that research has continued without anyone knowing who is doing it and how the research is carried out.
What we do know is that serious, operational research on hypnotic programming began around World War II. Two psychologists who proved it was possible to hypnotize soldiers and make them carry hidden messages, change their political convictions, or even to make them attack their friends, were G.H. Estabrooks and John G. Watson. Here are three examples which have been given by Estabrooks over the years:
Example 1:
"During World War II, I worked this technique with a vulnerable Marine lieutenant I’ll call Jones. Under the watchful eye of Marine intelligence I split his personality into Jones A and Jones B. Jones A, once a 'normal' working Marine, became entirely different. He talked communist doctrine and meant it. He was welcomed enthusiastically by communist cells, and was deliberately given a dishonorable discharge by the Corps (which was in on the plot) and became a card-carrying party member. All I had to do was hypnotize the whole man, get in touch with Jones B, the loyal American, and I had a pipeline straight into the Communist camp." ...
Example 2:
"The ‘hypnotic courier’ provides a unique solution. I was involved in preparing army subjects during World War II. One successful case involved an Army Captain. He was an excellent subject but did not realize it. I removed from him, by post hypnotic suggestion, all recollection of ever having been hypnotized. I put him under deep hypnosis, and gave him – orally – a vital message to be delivered directly on his arrival in Japan to a certain colonel – let's say his name was Brown – of military intelligence. Outside of myself, Colonel Brown was the only person who could hypnotize Captain Smith. This is 'locking.' I performed it by saying to the captain, ‘We will use the phrase ‘the moon is clear.' Whenever you hear this phrase from Brown or myself you will pass instantly into deep hypnosis.' When Captain Smith re-awakened, he had no conscious memory of what happened in trance. The system is virtually foolproof."
Example 3:
"In deep hypnosis the subject, military or civilian, can be given a message to be delivered to say Colonel X in Berlin. The message will be perfectly safe because the subject will have no memory in the waking state as to the message. It can be arranged that the subject will have no knowledge of ever having been hypnotized. It can be arranged that no one beside Colonel X in Berlin can hypnotize the subject and recover the message….I will take a number of men and will establish in them through the use of hypnotism the condition of split personality. Consciously they will be ardent Communists, fanatical adherents to the party line. Unconsciously they will be loyal Americans determined to thwart the Communists at every turn. These men will have no knowledge of ever having been hypnotized, and can only be hypnotized by such persons as the original operator may choose. Consciously they will associate with the Communists and learn all their plans. Once every month they, as loyal Americans, will tell what they know. This sounds unbelievable, but I assure you, it will work."
John Watson also hypnotized a number of Marines around the time of World War II. He showed that it was possible to hypnotize a Marine and make him believe a friend or superior officer is an enemy that must be attacked or even killed.
It appears that members of the OSS (the later CIA) picked up on these successes and by the late 1940s had begun to set up their own programs. The first was BLUEBIRD, followed by ARTICHOKE, MKULTRA and MKSEARCH. Below is a list of Mind Control (related) programs and the dates that they were active.
CHATTER (Navy program to interrogate enemy)1947-1953
BLUEBIRD1950-1951
ARTICHOKE1951-1953
MKNAOMI (germ warfare contract with Army)1952-1969
MKDELTA (operational side of ULTRA)1952-1964
MKULTRA1953-1964
MKSEARCH1964-1972
It's important to note that within these "mind control" projects there were hundreds of subprojects. They could deal with hypnosis, but just as well with hallucinogens, chemicals, radiation, electricity, brain implants, overall brain research and experimentation, or other things that could directly or indirectly influence the functioning of the brains.
Many scientists were approached by the CIA to conduct this type of research. Among them were Sidney Gottlieb, James Hamilton, Louis Jolyon West, Ewen Cameron, Robert Heath, William Sweet, Harold Wolff, Martin Orne, Jose Delgado, and many more. None of these scientists have admitted, however, that it is possible to create a spy or assassin by means of hypnosis. Their predecessor, Estabrooks, is the only one who has taken a clear stance on this:
"The key to creating an effective spy or assassin rests in splitting a man’s personality, or creating multipersonality, with the aid of hypnotism. This is not science fiction. This has and is being done. I have done it. ...
MK-ULTRA subproject x: sexual blackmail 
Mind Control research is interesting, of course. The same goes for some of the immoral chemical and radiation experiments. But of particular interest here is an MKULTRA subproject ran by George White, a former lieutenant colonel in the OSS who after the war had become active again in the narcotics squad.
White had been approached by Sidney Gottlieb, head of the CIA's TSS department and the MKULTRA project, in 1953. He was given a lavish apartment in New York City and was asked to invite all kinds of people - a lot of them preselected - so he could slip them a variety of drugs. The media has generally presented White's apartments as an operation to test all the different drugs Gottlieb's CIA lab was producing, and although this may be true, the more important purpose here appears to have been to find ways to make people give up their secrets. White started out with drugging criminals and mafia figures, but whether this was the intent from the beginning or not, the project soon evolved into one continuous entrapment operation (and apparently involving more than just KGB officers). John Marks in his 1978 book 'The Search for the Manchurian Candidate' wrote in remarkable detail about this operation:
"In CIA jargon, White became MKULTRA subproject #3. Under this arrangement, White rented two adjacent Greenwich Village apartments, posing as the sometime artist and seaman "Morgan Hall." White agreed to lure guinea pigs to the "safehouse"—as the Agency men called the apartments—slip them drugs, and report the results to Gottlieb and the others in TSS. For its part, the CIA let the Narcotics Bureau use the place for undercover activities (and often for personal pleasure) whenever no Agency work was scheduled, and the CIA paid all the bills, including the cost of keeping a well-stocked liquor cabinet—a substantial bonus for White. Gottlieb personally handed over the first $4,000 in cash, to cover the initial costs of furnishing the safehouse in the lavish style that White felt befitted him.
"Gottlieb did not limit his interest to drugs. He and other TSS officials wanted to try out surveillance equipment. CIA technicians quickly installed see-through mirrors and microphones through which eavesdroppers could film, photograph, and record the action."Things go wrong with listening devices and two-way mirrors, so you build these things to find out what works and what doesn't," says a TSS source. "If you are going to entrap, you've got to give the guy pictures [flagrante delicto] and voice recordings. Once you learn how to do it so that the whole thing looks comfortable, cozy, and safe, then you can transport the technology overseas and use it." This TSS man notes that the Agency put to work in the bedrooms of Europe some of the techniques developed in the George White safehouse operation."
In 1955, White moved his operation to an apartment in San Francisco. He turned it into another playboy-style mansion and again had several prostitutes working for him. He soon became regional head of the Bureau of Narcotics and could largely do whatever he pleased. Dr. Sidney Gottlieb, Dr. John Gittinger and Dr. James Hamilton were among those who regularly spent time at the apartment of White to observe the operations (and seemingly also for a lot of pleasure). Next to the drug experiments, it was especially Hamilton who had a specific focus on "deviant sexual practices". We now extensively quote from Marks's book again:
"To supplement the furniture he brought from the New York safehouse, he went out and bought items that gave the place the air of the brothel it was to become: Toulouse Lautrec posters, a picture of a French cancan dancer, and photos of manacled women in black stockings. ...
"TSS officials wanted to find out everything they could about how to apply sex to spying, and the prostitute project became a general learning and then training ground for CIA carnal operations. After all, states one TSS official, "We did quite a study of prostitutes and their behavior.... At first nobody really knew how to use them. How do you train them? How do you work them? How do you take a woman who is willing to use her body to get money out of a guy to get things which are much more important, like state secrets. I don't care how beautiful she is—educating the ordinary prostitute up to that level is not a simple task."
"The TSS men continually tried to refine their knowledge. They realized that prostitutes often wheedled extra money out of a customer by suggesting some additional service as male orgasm neared. They wondered if this might not also be a good time to seek sensitive information. "But no," says the source, "we found the guy was focused solely on hormonal needs. He was not thinking of his career or anything else at that point." The TSS experts discovered that the postsexual, light-up-acigarette period was much better suited to their ulterior motives. Says the source:
"Most men who go to prostitutes are prepared for the fact that [after the act] she's beginning to work to get herself out of there, so she can get back on the street to make some more money. . . . To find a prostitute who is willing to stay is a hell of a shock to anyone used to prostitutes. It has a tremendous effect on the guy. It's a boost to his ego if she's telling him he was really neat, and she wants to stay for a few more hours.... Most of the time, he gets pretty vulnerable. What the hell's he going to talk about? Not the sex, so he starts talking about his business. It's at this time she can lead him gently. But you have to train prostitutes to do that. Their natural inclination is to do exactly the opposite.
"The men from MKULTRA learned a great deal about varying sexual preferences. One of them says: We didn't know in those days about hidden sadism and all that sort of stuff. We learned a lot about human nature in the bedroom. We began to understand that when people wanted sex, it wasn't just what we had thought of—you know, the missionary position.... We started to pick up knowledge that could be used in operations, but with a lot of it we never figured out any way to use it operationally. We just learned.... All these ideas did not come to us at once. But evolving over three or four years in which these studies were going on, things emerged which we tried. Our knowledge of prostitutes' behavior became pretty damn good. . . . This comes across now that somehow we were just playing around and we just found all these exotic ways to waste the taxpayers' money on satisfying our hidden urges. I'm not saying that watching prostitutes was not exciting or something like that. But what I am saying was there was a purpose to the whole business.
"In the best tradition of Mata Hari, the CIA did use sex as a clandestine weapon, although apparently not so frequently as the Russians. While many in the Agency believed that it simply did not work very well, others like CIA operators in Berlin during the mid-1960s felt prostitutes could be a prime source of intelligence. Agency men in that city used a network of hookers to good advantage—or so they told visitors from headquarters. Yet, with its high proportion of Catholics and Mormons— not to mention the Protestant ethic of many of its top leaders—the Agency definitely had limits beyond which prudery took over. For instance, a TSS veteran says that a good number of case officers wanted no part of homosexual entrapment operations. And to go a step further, he recalls one senior KGB man who told too many sexual jokes about young boys. "It didn't take too long to recognize that he was more than a little fascinated by youths," says the source. "I took the trouble to point out he was probably too good, too well-trained, to be either entrapped or to give away secrets. But he would have been tempted toward a compromising position by a preteen. I mentioned this, and they said, 'As a psychological observer, you're probably quite right. But what the hell are we going to do about it? Where are we going to get a twelve-year-old boy?' " The source believes that if the Russian had had a taste for older men, U.S. intelligence might have mounted an operation, "but the idea of a twelve-year-old boy was just more than anybody could stomach.""
This all happened in the years after the San Francisco apartment had been furnished in 1955. Judging from John Marks's book, it clearly was realized that videotaping a person having sex with an underaged child is one of the most effective ways of entrapment. However, it is also obvious that the vast majority of people in and outside the CIA would never get themselves involved in such criminal and immoral operations. But does this also go for the CIA leadership?
Integrating Claudia Mullen into timeline 
So, in the 1955, 56, 57 period we have Gottlieb, White, Gittinger, Hamilton doing their first experiments with sexual entrapment operations, apparently learning (getting inspired?) about all kinds of "sadistic" and "deviant sexual practices", and apparently also facing their first dilemma of whether or not to use child prostitutes.
A lot of question arise now. Would they actually go as far as to use children? If so, did they create another subproject? If they created this subproject, did they put anything on paper? If they did, was it part of the stash that Richard Helms destroyed in 1972? And also, would this subproject be restricted to entrapping important communist agents or life and death situations only?
All questions that we can't answer for certain. What we can do is that Claudia Mullen has testified that in the 1957-1958 period she, as a victim of sexual abuse, was brought to Gottlieb's CIA crowd by the leadership of Tulane University in New Orleans. A number of doctors tested her intelligence, the way she responded sexually, how obedient she was, how much pain she could endure, and a number of other things. Then in 1959 this group brought her to the rather remote Deep Creek Cabins in Maryland, where her training as a child prostitute began. Each time she went, she was with a group of 75 other kids.
During the 1960s and maybe 1970s she was regularly used to entrap important officials. Two of them she mentioned: Senator Frank Church, who in 1975 was chairman of one of the most important committees ever to investigate CIA wrongdoing; and Senator Russell B. Long of Louisiana, who in the 1966-1967 period supported district attorney Jim Garrison in his search for the real murderers of president John F. Kennedy.
Senator Frank ChurchMullen: Was filmed doing something incriminating. Apparently he needed to keep the funds going and protect the illegal CIA projects when the investigations began in 1975. 

Born in 1924. Democrat. Lawyer until 1956. U.S. senator from Idaho 1957-1981. Chairman Church Committee in 1975-1976, which investigated a whole range of alleged illegal activities of the CIA (and FBI), both foreign and domestic. Domestic spying and covert action, assassinating foreign leaders, assassinating JFK, illegal radiation and chemical experiments, MK-ULTRA, Mockingbird, etc. - everything would potentially be investigated by this committee. Sought the Democratic nomination for president, but withdrew in favor of Jimmy Carter. Chairman Senate Foreign Relations Committee 1979-1981. Partner in the firm Whitman & Ransom, Washington, 1981-1984.
Senator Russell B. LongMullen: "There was a Senator from Louisiana that I was with a couple of times. ... They had to do that [shock treatments], because I couldn't go home remembering that I had just been with Senator Long or somebody like that. ... He was kind of old, but apparently he was on one of the committees that was checking up on the CIA. They were always being checked on ... that's what they told me. " 

Born in 1918. Democrat. Served to lieutenant US Navy, 1942-45; participated invasions of Sicily, Anzio, Southern France. Sole practice, Baton Rouge, 1946-1947. Associate Long & West, 1946-1948. Executive counsel State of Louisiana, 1948. Elected senator U.S. Senate 1948-1987. Assistant majority leader 1965-1968. February 22, 1967, Des Moines Register, 'Kennedy Probe Hailed by Lane': "Senator Russell B. Long (Dem.), La. said Tuesday he is convinced District Attorney Jim Garrison of New Orleans has "some information the Warren Commission didn't have" about a possible conspiracy to assassinate President John F. Kennedy. Long, the assistant Democratic leader in the Senate, told an informal news conference he had discussed the possibility of a conspiracy with Garrison at length on a plane trip last October. "He asked me not to tell the FBI what he was doing and I didn't," Long said." February 24, 1967, Lowell Sun, 'Only Dist. Atty. Garrison Holds Key to "JFK Assassination Plot': "LATER he [Garrison] talked it over with U.S. Sen. Russell B. Long, D-La. the Senate Democratic whip. Long told him he had his own doubts about the Warren Report, notably the sequence of firing of the shots that killed Kennedy Nov. 22, 1963, in Dallas."
Mullen has accused everyone that was involved in George White's sexual entrapment organization. She also gave the names of Stephen Aldrich and Morse Allen, who, like Gottlieb, were equally involved in overseeing the mind control programs. Here is a list of names that Mullen gave and what they allegedly did to her. The second witness, Christina Denicola Ebner, could only verify having seen Dr. Wilson Greene. She was not involved in this network to the extent Mullen was.
Dr. Stephen AldrichPart of the group that did tests on Mullen. 

The CIA's Directorate of Science and Technology-specifically its Office of Research and Development (ORD)-did not remain idle after Director McCone transferred the behavioral research function in 1962. In ORD, Dr. Stephen Aldrich, a graduate of Amherst and Northwestern Medical School, took over the role that Morse Allen and then Sid Gottlieb had played before him. Aldrich had been the medical director of the Office of Scientific Intelligence back in the days when that office was jockeying with Morse Allen for control of ARTICHOKE, so he was no stranger to the programs. Under his leadership, ORD officials kept probing for ways to control human behavior, and they were doing so with space-age technology that made the days of MKULTRA look like the horse-and-buggy era. If man could get to the moon by the end of the 1960s, certainly the well-financed scientists of ORD could make a good shot at conquering inner space. They brought their technology to bear on subjects like the electric stimulation of the brain. They actively experimented with placing electrodes in the brain of animals and—probably— men. Then they used electric and radio signals to move their subjects around. Little to nothing is known about their achievements.

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Saturday, May 5, 2012

Obama's Open Mic With Medvedev



So.. He is sure he is going to be re-elected? How? Fixed perhaps?

Friday, May 4, 2012

9/11 Deception

See Also: * Former Top German Minister Rejects Official Story Of 911 Attacks In a full-page interview with in the 13 January 2002 edition of the Berlin daily Tagesspiegel, former German Minister of Technology, Andreas von Buelow, said he does not buy any of the official theories that have been presented to date, on the events of September 11. ________________________________________________________________________ Euro Intel Experts Dismiss `War On Terrorism' As Deception European intelligence experts dismiss the Bush "war on terrorism" as deception and reveal the Realpolitik behind the aggression against Afghanistan. by Christopher Bollyn, American Free Press, 4 Dec 2001 Berlin -- In Germany, where war plans for Afghanistan were already being discussed in July and where several of the "Arab hijackers" lived and studied, intelligence experts say the terror attacks of September 11 could not have been carried out without the support of a state secret service. Eckehardt Werthebach, former president of Germany's domestic intelligence service, Verfassungsschutz, told AFP that "the deathly precision" and "the magnitude of planning" behind the attacks of September 11 would have needed "years of planning." Such a sophisticated operation, Werthebach said, would require the "fixed frame" of a state intelligence organization, something not found in a "loose group" of terrorists like the one allegedly led by Mohammed Atta while he studied in Hamburg. Many people would have been involved in the planning of such an operation and Werthebach pointed to the absence of leaks as further indication that the attacks were "state organized actions." Andreas von B'low served on the parliamentary commission which oversees the three branches of the German secret service while a member of the Bundestag (German parliament) from 1969 to 1994, and wrote a book titled Im Namen des Staates (In the Name of the State) on the criminal activities of secret services, including the CIA. The architectural level planners use corrupt "guns for hire" such as Abu Nidal, the Palestinian terrorist who von B'low called "an instrument of Mossad," high-ranking Stasi (former East German secret service) operatives, or Libyan agents who organize terror attacks using dedicated people, for example Palestinian and Arab "freedom fighters." The terrorists who actually commit the crimes are what von B'low calls "the working level," such as the 19 Arabs who allegedly hijacked the planes on September 11. "The working level is part of the deception," he said. "Ninety-five percent of the work of the intelligence agencies around the world is deception and disinformation," von B'low said, which is widely propagated in the mainstream media creating an accepted version of events. "Journalists don't even raise the simplest questions," he said adding, "those who differ are labeled as crazy." Both Werthebach and von B'low said the lack of an open and official investigation, such as congressional hearings, into the events of September 11 was incomprehensible. AFP asked von B'low about the Taliban's ban on opium production: "Seventy percent of the drug trade is licensed by the intelligence agencies," von B'low said, and they are interested in keeping the drug traffic "running through their mills." "The BND (German secret service) is steered by the CIA and the CIA is steered by Mossad," von B'low said. Horst Ehmke, who coordinated the German secret services directly under German prime minister Willi Brandt in the 70s, predicted a similar terrorist attack in his novel, Torches of Heaven, published last year, in which Turkish terrorists crash hijacked planes into Berlin. EERIE PREDICTIONS Although Ehmke had long expected "fundamentalist attacks," when he saw the televised images from September 11, he said it looked like a "Hollywood production." "Terrorists could not have carried out such an operation with 4 hijacked planes without the support of a secret service," Ehmke said, although he did not want to point to any particular agency. "The most important thing in the struggle against terrorists, who are abusing religion, is the battle for the soul of the people and the nations," Ehmke said. "If this isn't resolved successfully, the 21st Century could be bloodier than the last." A former Stasi agent who had warned the German secret service of terror attacks in America between September 10-20 told AFP that a high ranking Stasi chief named J'rgen Rogalla, who is "an airplane terror specialist," was probably involved in the attacks of September 11 along with Abu Nidal. Both Nidal and Rogalla work with the Mossad, the former agent told AFP. Nidal, was said to be in Baghdad, and is a "leading officer for some Mossad agents." The agent said that Nidal was "involved directly" in the events of September 11. September 11 was preparation for a larger attack on the United States, which is part of "an old plan," the agent said. Based on prior knowledge of this plan, the agent said that more attacks are imminent and that aircraft carriers may be targeted next. Rogalla is also strongly anti-religious and attacks on cathedrals or places of religious significance before Christmas are likely. Rogalla was responsible for "turning NATO men" to spy for the East. One of the East's NATO spies, Reiner Rupp, known as "Topaz," provided Stasi and the Russians with the organization's highest secrets until he was discovered in 1993 by the BND. A CIA agent known as "Frank Lindsey" worked with Rogalla, according to the former Stasi agent. TERROR INVESTIGATION BLOCKED Under the influence of U.S. oil companies, the administration of George W. Bush blocked U.S. secret service investigations on terrorism, while it bargained with the Taliban to turn over Osama bin Laden in exchange for political recognition and economic aid, two French intelligence analysts claim. In a recently published book, Bin Laden, la verite interdite (Bin Laden, the forbidden truth), the authors, Jean-Charles Brisard and Guillaume Dasquie, reveal that the Federal Bureau of Investigation's deputy director John O'Neill resigned in July in protest due to official obstruction of his investigation of terrorism. O'Neill had been in charge of national security in New York. While with the FBI, O'Neill led an investigation of Osama bin Laden and had forecast the possibility of an organized attack by terrorists operating from within the country. O'Neill had investigated the USS Cole bombing in Yemen, the bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, and the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. In 1995, FBI agents working under O'Neill captured Ramzi Yousef, a suspected lieutenant of bin Laden, who later was among those convicted for the World Trade Center bombing. O'Neill was considered a top-notch investigator and was known for his pugnacity. He was barred by U.S. Ambassador to Yemen Barbara Bodine from that country. That dispute reportedly involved a struggle between the State Department, which sought to preserve relations with Yemen, and the FBI, represented by O'Neill, who wanted access to Yemeni suspects. O'Neill, 49, was hired as chief of security at the World Trade Center following a 25-year career with the FBI and died on Sept. 11, the first day of his new job. O'Neill reportedly died after reentering the building to assist others. Brisard said O'Neill told them that "the main obstacles to investigate Islamic terrorism were U.S. oil corporate interests and the role played by Saudi Arabia in it." EARLY WARNINGS Osama bin Laden and the Taliban received threats of possible American military strikes against them two months before the terrorist assaults on New York and Washington, according to The Guardian (UK). The warnings to the Taliban originated at a four-day meeting of senior Americans, Russians, Iranians and Pakistanis at a hotel in Berlin in mid-July. The meetings took place under the arbitration of Francesc Vendrell, personal representative of UN secretary general Kofi Annan, to discuss the situation in Afghanistan. The three Americans at the Berlin meeting were Tom Simons, former US ambassador to Pakistan, Karl "Rick" Inderfurth, a former assistant secretary of state for south Asian affairs, and Lee Coldren, who headed the office of Pakistan, Afghan and Bangladesh affairs in the state department until 1997. There were other meetings arranged by Vendrell in which "representatives of the U.S. government and Russia, and the six countries that border with Afghanistan were present," according to the French authors. "Sometimes, representatives of the Taliban also sat around the table." The Berlin conference was the third meeting since November 2000 arranged by Mr. Vendrell. As a UN meeting, its official agenda was supposedly confined to trying to find a negotiated solution to the civil war in Afghanistan, ending terrorism and heroin trafficking, and discussing humanitarian aid. CARPET OF GOLD--OR BOMBS The U.S. government's primary objective in Afghanistan was to consolidate the position of the Taliban regime in order to obtain access to the oil and gas reserves of Central Asia, the French authors wrote. Until August, the U.S. government saw the Taliban regime "as a source of stability in Central Asia that would enable the construction of an oil pipeline across Central Asia," from the rich oilfields in Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, and Kazakhstan, through Afghanistan and Pakistan, to the Indian Ocean, they said. [[This is doubtful. Though it may have ostensibly been the public policy, the timeline of events indicates that a different game-plan was in the works for 2-4 years which is far more complex than just the pipeline.]] "The oil and gas reserves of Central Asia have been controlled by Russia. The Bush government wanted to change all that," the book says. When the Taliban refused to accept U.S. conditions, "this rationale of energy security changed into a military one." "The Americans indicated to us that in case the Taliban does not behave and in case Pakistan also doesn't help us to influence the Taliban, then the United States would be left with no option but to take an overt action against Afghanistan," said Niaz Naik, a former foreign minister of Pakistan, who attended the meetings. On French television, Naik said during the "6+2" meeting in Berlin in July, the discussions turned around "the formation of a government of national unity. If the Taliban had accepted this coalition, they would have immediately received international economic aid." "And the pipe lines from Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan would have come," he added. Naik also claimed that Tom Simons, the U.S. representative at these meetings, openly threatened the Taliban and Pakistan. "Simons said, `either the Taliban behave as they ought to, or Pakistan convinces them to do so, or we will use another option'. The words Simons used were `a military operation'," Naik said. "At one moment during the negotiations, the U.S. representatives told the Taliban, `either you accept our offer of a carpet of gold, or we bury you under a carpet of bombs'," Brisard said in an interview in Paris. According to the book, the government of Bush began to negotiate with the Taliban immediately after coming into power in February. U.S. and Taliban diplomatic representatives met several times in Washington, Berlin and Islamabad. To polish their image in the United States, the Taliban even employed a U.S. expert on public relations, Laila Helms. The authors claim that Helms is also an expert in the works of U.S. secret services, for her uncle, Richard Helms, is a former director of the CIA.

Tuesday, May 1, 2012

1963: Dallas, The Government Decides That Truth Doesn't Exist


1963: Dallas

                The Government Decides That Truth Doesn't Exist


     At noon, on a street in Dallas, the president of the United States is
     assassinated.  He is hardly dead when the official version is
     broadcast.  In that version, which will be the definitive one, Lee
     Harvey Oswald alone has killed John Kennedy.
         The weapon does not coincide with the bullet, nor the bullet with
     the holes.  The accused does not coincide with the accusation:
     Oswald is an exceptionally bad shot of mediocre physique, but
     according to the official version, his acts were those of a champion
     marksman and Olympic sprinter.  He has fired an old rifle with
     impossible speed and his magic bullet, turning and twisting
     acrobatically to penetrate Kennedy and John Connally, the governor of
     Texas, remains miraculously intact.
         Oswald strenuously denies it.  But no one knows, no one will ever
     know what he has to say.  Two days later he collapses before the
     television cameras, the whole world witness to the spectacle, his
     mouth shut by Jack Ruby, a two-bit gangster and minor trafficker in
     women and drugs.  Ruby says he has avenged Kennedy out of patriotism
     and pity for the poor widow.

             -- Eduardo Galeano, "Memory of Fire:  III Century of the Wind."
                Part Three of a Trilogy, translated by Cedric Belfrage,
                Pantheon Books, 1988, p. 183




       the following is taken from "The People's Almanac #2," by David
       Wallechinsky and Irving Wallace, Bantam Books, 1978, pp. 47-52.
   _________________________________________________________________________
                      THE LAST WORDS OF LEE HARVEY OSWALD
                           Compiled by Mae Brussell


      Did Lee Harvey Oswald act alone in shooting Pres. John F. Kennedy
      on Nov. 22, 1963, or did he conspire with others?  Was he serving
      as an agent of Cuba's Fidel Castro, himself the target of American
      assassins?  Or in squeezing the trigger of his carbine was he
      undertaking some super "dirty trick" for a CIA anxious to rid
      itself of a president whose faith in the "company" had evaporated
      in the wake of the Bay of Pigs fiasco?  Or was he representing a
      group of Cuban exiles, the Teamsters Union, the Mafia?  Indeed, was
      it Lee Harvey Oswald at all who killed JFK?  Or was there a double
      impersonating Oswald?  These questions continue to nag many people
      more than a decade and a half after that dreadful day in Dallas, in
      spite of the 26 volumes of hearings and exhibits served up by the
      Warren Commission, the congressional investigations, the release of
      heretofore classified FBI documents.
        Almost everyone, it seems, has been heard from on the Kennedy
      assassination and on Lee Harvey Oswald's guilt or innocence, except
      one person--Lee Harvey Oswald himself.  From the time of Oswald's
      arrest to his own assassination at the hands of Jack Ruby, no
      formal transcript or record was kept of statements made by the
      alleged killer.  It was said that no tape recordings were made of
      Oswald's remarks, and many notes taken of his statements were
      destroyed.
        Determined to learn Oswald's last words, his only testimony, "The
      People's Almanac" assigned one of the leading authorities on the
      Kennedy assassination, Mae Brussell, to compile every known
      statement or remark made by Oswald between his arrest and death.
      The quotes, edited for space and clarity, are based on the
      recollections of a variety of witnesses present at different times
      and are not verbatim transcripts.  "After 14 years of research on
      the JFK assassination," Mae Brussell concludes, "I am of the
      opinion that Lee Harvey Oswald was telling the truth about his role
      in the assassination during these interrogations."


  12:30 P.M., CST, NOV. 22, 1963   Pres. John F. Kennedy Assassinated


  12:33 P.M.

    Lee Harvey Oswald left work, entered a bus, and said, "Transfer, please."


  12:40 - 12:45 P.M.

    Oswald got off the bus, entered a cab, and said, "May I have this cab?"
  A woman approached, wanting a cab, and Oswald said, "I will let you have
  this one. . . .  500 North Beckley Street [instructions to William Whaley,
  driver of another cab]. . . .  This will be fine."  Oswald departed cab
  and walked a few blocks.


  1:15 P.M.  Officer J. D. Tippit Murdered


  1:45 P.M.  Arrest at the Texas Theater

    "This is it" or "Well, it's all over now."  Oswald arrested.  (Patrolman
  M. N. McDonald heard these remarks.  Other officers who were at the scene
  did not hear them.)  "I don't know why you are treating me like this.  The
  only thing I have done is carry a pistol into a movie. . . .  I don't see
  why you handcuffed me. . . .  Why should I hide my face?  I haven't done
  anything to be ashamed of. . . .  I want a lawyer. . . .  I am not
  resisting arrest. . . .  I didn't kill anybody. . . .  I haven't shot
  anybody. . . .  I protest this police brutality. . . .  I fought back
  there, but I know I wasn't supposed to be carrying a gun. . . .  What is
  this all about?"


  2:00 - 2:15 P.M.  Drive to Police Dept.

    "What is this all about? . . .  I know my rights. . . .  A police
  officer has been killed? . . .  I hear they burn for murder.  Well, they
  say it just takes a second to die. . . .  All I did was carry a gun. . . .
  No, Hidell is not my real name. . . .  I have been in the Marine Corps,
  have a dishonorable discharge, and went to Russia. . . .  I had some
  trouble with police in New Orleans for passing out pro-Castro literature.
  right. . . .  I demand my rights."


  2:15 P.M.  Taken into Police Dept.


  2:15 - 2:20 P.M.

    "Talked to" by officers Guy F. Rose and Richard S. Stovall.  No notes.


  2:25 - 4:04 P.M.  Interrogation of Oswald, Office of Capt Will Fritz

    "My name is Lee Harvey Oswald. . . .  I work at the Texas School Book
  Depository Building. . . .  I lived in Minsk and in Moscow. . . .  I
  worked in a factory. . . .  I liked everything over there except the
  weather. . . .  I have a wife and some children. . . .  My residence is
  1026 North Beckley, Dallas, Tex."  Oswald recognized FBI agent James Hosty
  and said, "You have been at my home two or three times talking to my wife.
  I don't appreciate your coming out there when I was not there. . . .  I
  was never in Mexico City.  I have been in Tijuana. . . .  Please take the
  handcuffs from behind me, behind my back. . . .  I observed a rifle in the
  Texas School Book Depository where I work, on Nov. 20, 1963. . . .  Mr.
  Roy Truly, the supervisor, displayed the rifle to individuals in his
  office on the first floor. . . .  I never owned a rifle myself. . . .  I
  resided in the Soviet Union for three years, where I have many friends and
  relatives of my wife. . . .  I was secretary of the Fair Play for Cuba
  Committee in New Orleans a few months ago. . . .  While in the Marines, I
  received an award for marksmanship as a member of the U.S. Marine Corps.
  was present in the Texas School Book Depository Building, I have been
  employed there since Oct. 15, 1963. . . .  As a laborer, I have access to
  the entire building. . . .  My usual place of work is on the first floor.
  However, I frequently use the fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh floors to get
  books.  I was on all floors this morning. . . .  Because of all the
  confusion, I figured there would be no work performed that afternoon so I
  decided to go home. . . .  I changed my clothing and went to a movie.
  no other reason. . . .  I fought the Dallas Police who arrested me in the
  movie theater where I received a cut and a bump. . . .  I didn't shoot
  Pres. John F. Kennedy or Officer J. D. Tippit. . . .  An officer struck
  me, causing the marks on my left eye, after I had struck him. . . .  I
  just had them in there," when asked why he had bullets in his pocket.


  3:54 P.M.

    NBC newsman Bill Ryan announced on national television that "Lee Oswald
  seems to be the prime suspect in the assassination of John F. Kennedy."


  4:45 P.M.  At a Lineup for Helen Markham, Witness to Tippit Murder

    "It isn't right to put me in line with these teenagers. . . .  You know
  what you are doing, and you are trying to railroad me. . . .  I want my
  lawyer. . . .  You are doing me an injustice by putting me out there
  dressed different than these other men. . . .  I am out there, the only
  one with a bruise on his head. . . .  I don t believe the lineup is fair,
  and I desire to put on a jacket similar to those worn by some of the other
  individuals in the lineup. . . .  All of you have a shirt on, and I have a
  T-shirt on.  I want a shirt or something. . . .  This T-shirt is unfair."


  4:45 - 6:30 P.M.  Second Interrogation of Oswald, Captain Fritz's Office

    "When I left the Texas School Book Depository, I went to my room, where
  I changed my trousers, got a pistol, and went to a picture show. . . .
  You know how boys do when they have a gun, they carry it. . . .  Yes, I
  had written the Russian Embassy. (On Nov. 9, 1963, Oswald had written to
  the Russian Embassy that FBI agent James Hosty was making some kind of
  deals with Marina, and he didn't trust "the notorious FBI.") . . .  Mr.
  Hosty, you have been accosting my wife.  You mistreated her on two
  different occasions when you talked with her. . . .  I know you.  Well, he
  threatened her.  He practically told her she would have to go back to
  Russia.  You know, I can't use a phone. . . .  I want that attorney in New
  York, Mr. Abt.  I don't know him personally but I know about a case that
  he handled some years ago, where he represented the people who had
  violated the Smith Act, [which made it illegal to teach or advocate the
  violent overthrow of the U.S. government] . . . I don't know him
  personally, but that is the attorney I want. . . .  If I can't get him,
  then I may get the American Civil Liberties Union to send me an attorney."
    "I went to school in New York and in Fort Worth, Tex. . . .  After
  getting into the Marines, I finished my high school education. . . .  I
  support the Castro revolution. . . .  My landlady didn't understand my
  name correctly, so it was her idea to call me 0. H. Lee. . . .  I want to
  talk with Mr. Abt, a New York attorney. . . .  The only package I brought
  to work was my lunch. . . .  I never had a card to the Communist party.
  pistol in Fort Worth several months ago. . . .  I refuse to tell you
  where the pistol was purchased. . . .  I never ordered any guns. . . .  I
  am not malcontent.  Nothing irritated me about the President."  When Capt.
  Will Fritz asked Oswald, "Do you believe in a deity?"  Oswald replied, "I
  don't care to discuss that."  "How can I afford a rifle on the Book
  Depository salary of $1.25 an hour? . . .  John Kennedy had a nice family.
  minutes after the assassination.  Oswald confirmed this in Captain Fritz's
  office.  A man impersonating Oswald in Dallas just prior to the
  assassination could have been on the bus and in the taxicab.)  "That
  station wagon belongs to Mrs. Ruth Paine.  Don't try to tie her into this.
  She had nothing to do with it.  I told you people I did. . . .  Everybody
  will know who I am now."
    "Can I get an attorney?. . .  I have not been given the opportunity to
  have counsel. . . .  As I said, the Fair Play for Cuba Committee has
  definitely been investigated, that is very true. . . .  The results of
  that investigation were zero.  The Fair Play for Cuba Committee is not
  now on the attorney general's subversive list."


  6:30 P.M.  Lineup for Witnesses Cecil J. McWatters, Sam Guinyard, and
             Ted Callaway

    "I didn't shoot anyone," Oswald yelled in the halls to reporters. . . .
  "I want to get in touch with a lawyer, Mr. Abt, in New York City. . . .  I
  never killed anybody."


  7:10 P.M.  Arraignment:  State of Texas v. Lee Harvey Oswald for Murder
             with Malice of Officer J. D. Tippit of the Dallas Police Dept.

    "I insist upon my constitutional rights. . . .  The way you are treating
  me, I might as well be in Russia. . . .  I was not granted my request to
  put on a jacket similar to those worn by other individuals in some
  previous lineups."


  7:50 P.M.  Lineup for Witness J. D. Davis

    "I have been dressed differently than the other three. . . .  Don't you
  know the difference?  I still have on the same clothes I was arrested in.
  The other two were prisoners, already in jail."  Seth Kantor, reporter,
  heard Oswald yell, "I am only a patsy."


  7:55 P.M.  Third Interrogation, Captain Fritz's Office

    "I think I have talked long enough.  I don't have anything else to say.
  rather lengthy. . . .  I don't care to talk anymore. . . .  I am waiting
  for someone to come forward to give me legal assistance. . . .  It wasn't
  actually true as to how I got home.  I took a bus, but due to a traffic
  jam, I left the bus and got a taxicab, by which means I actually arrived
  at my residence."


  8:55 P.M.  Fingerprints, Identification Paraffin Tests--All in Fritz's
             Office

    "I will not sign the fingerprint card until I talk to my attorney.
  [Oswald's name is on the card anyway.] . . .  What are you trying to prove
  with this paraffin test, that I fired a gun? . . .  You are wasting your
  time.  I don't know anything about what you are accusing me."


  11:00 - 11:20 P.M.  "Talked To" by Police Officer John Adamcik and FBI
                      Agent M. Clements

    "I was in Russia two years and liked it in Russia. . . .  I am 5 ft. 9
  in., weigh 140 lb., have brown hair, blue-gray eyes, and have no tattoos
  or permanent scars."
    (Oswald had mastoidectomy scars and left upper-arm scars, both noted in
  Marine records.  "Warren Report," pp. 614-618, lists information from
  Oswald obtained during this interview about members of his family, past
  employment, past residences.)


  11:20 - 11:25 P.M.  Lineup for Press Conference;  Jack Ruby Present

    When newsmen asked Oswald about his black eye, he answered, "A cop hit
  me."  When asked about the earlier arraignment, Oswald said "Well, I was
  questioned by Judge Johnston.  However, I protested at that time that I
  was not allowed legal representation during that very short and sweet
  hearing.  I really don't know what the situation is about.  Nobody has
  told me anything except that I am accused of murdering a policeman.  I
  know nothing more than that, and I do request someone to come forward to
  give me legal assistance."  When asked, "Did you kill the President?"
  Oswald replied, "No.  I have not been charged with that.  In fact, nobody
  has said that to me yet.  The first thing I heard about it was when the
  newspaper reporters in the hall asked me that question. . . .  I did not
  do it.  I did not do it. . . .  I did not shoot anyone."


  12:23 A.M.,  NOV. 23, 1963  Placed in Jail Cell


  12:35 A.M.  Released by Jailer

    Oswald complained, "This is the third set of fingerprints, photographs
  being taken."


  1:10 A.M.  Back in Jail Cell


  1:35 A.M.  Arraignment:  State of Texas v. Lee Harvey Oswald for the
                           Murder with Malice of John F. Kennedy

    "Well, sir, I guess this is the trial. . . .  I want to contact my
  lawyer, Mr. Abt, in New York City.  I would like to have this gentleman.
  He is with the American Civil Liberties Union."  (John J. Abt now in
  private practice in New York, was the general counsel for the Senate
  Sub-Committee on Civil Liberties from 1935-1937, and later served as legal
  adviser for the Progressive party from 1948-1951.  Mr. Abt has never been
  a member of the ACLU.)


  10:30 A.M.-1:10 P.M.  Interrogation, Capt. Will Fritz's Office

    "I said I wanted to contact Attorney Abt, New York.  He defended the
  Smith Act cases in 1949, 1950, but I don't know his address, except that
  it is in New York. . . .  I never owned a rifle. . . .  Michael Paine
  owned a car, Ruth Paine owned two cars. . . .  Robert Oswald, my brother,
  lives in Fort Worth.  He and the Paines were closest friends in town. . .
  .  The FBI has thoroughly interrogated me at various other times. . . .
  They have used their hard and soft approach to me, and they use the buddy
  system. . . .  I am familiar with all types of questioning and have no
  intention of making any statements. . . .  In the past three weeks the FBI
  has talked to my wife.  They were abusive and impolite.  They frightened
  my wife, and I consider their activities obnoxious."
    (When arrested, Oswald had FBI Agent James Hosty's home phone and office
  phone numbers and car license number in his possession.)
    "I was arrested in New Orleans for disturbing the peace and paid a $10
  fine for demonstrating for the Fair Play for Cuba Committee.  I had a
  fight with some anti-Castro refugees and they were released while I was
  fined. . . .  I refuse to take a polygraph.  It has always been my
  practice not to agree to take a polygraph . . .  The FBI has overstepped
  their bounds in using various tactics in interviewing me. . . .  I didn't
  shoot John Kennedy. . . .  I didn't even know Gov. John Connally had been
  shot. . . .  I don't own a rifle. . . .  I didn't tell Buell Wesley
  Frazier anything about bringing back some curtain rods. . . .  My wife
  lives with Mrs. Ruth Paine.  She [Mrs. Paine] was learning Russian.  They
  needed help with the young baby, so it made a nice arrangement for both of
  them. . . .  I don't know Mrs. Paine very well, but Mr. Paine and his wife
  were separated a great deal of the time."
    (Michael Paine worked at Bell Aerospace as a scientific engineer.  His
  boss, Walter Dornberger, was a Nazi war criminal.  The first call, the
  "tipoff," on Oswald, came from Bell Aerospace.)
    "The garage at the Paines' house has some seabags that have a lot of my
  personal belongings.  I left them after coming back from New Orleans in
  September. . . .  The name Alek Hidell was picked up while working in New
  Orleans in the Fair Play for Cuba organization. . . .  I speak Russian,
  correspond with people in Russia, and receive newspapers from Russia. . .
  .  I don't own a rifle at all. . . .  I did have a small rifle some years
  in the past.  You can't buy a rifle in Russia, you can only buy shotguns.
  I had a shotgun in Russia and hunted some while there.  I didn't bring the
  rifle from New Orleans. . . .  I am not a member of the Communist party. . 
  . .  I belong to the Civil Liberties Union. . . .  I did carry a package 
  to the Texas School Book Depository.  I carried my lunch, a sandwich and 
  fruit, which I made at Paine's house. . . .  I had nothing personal 
  against John Kennedy."


  1:10 - 1:30 P.M.  Lee Harvey Oswald Visited by Mother, Marguerite Oswald,
                    and Wife, Marina Oswald

    (To his Mother.) "No, there is nothing you can do.  Everything is fine.
  I know my rights, and I will have an attorney.  I already requested to get
  in touch with Attorney Abt, I think is his name.  Don't worry about a
  thing."
    (To his Wife.) "Oh, no, they have not been beating me.  They are
  treating me fine. . . .  You're not to worry about that.  Did you bring
  June and Rachel? . . .  Of course we can speak about absolutely anything
  at all. . . .  It's a mistake.  I'm not guilty.  There are people who will
  help me.  There is a lawyer in New York on whom I am counting for help. .
  . .  Don't cry.  There is nothing to cry about.  Try not to think about
  it. . . .  Everything is going to be all right.  If they ask you anything,
  you have a right not to answer.  You have a right to refuse.  Do you
  understand? . . .  You are not to worry.  You have friends.  They'll help
  you.  If it comes to that, you can ask the Red Cross for help.  You
  mustn't worry about me.  Kiss Junie and Rachel for me.  I love you. . . .
  Be sure to buy shoes for June."


  2:15 P.M.  Lineup for Witnesses William W. Scoggins and William Whaley

    "I refuse to answer questions.  I have my T-shirt on, the other men are
  dressed differently. . . .  Everybody's got a shirt and everything, and
  I've got a T-shirt on. . . .  This is unfair."


  3:30 - 3:40 P.M.  Robert Oswald, Brother, in Ten-Minute Visit

    "I cannot or would not say anything, because the line is apparently
  tapped.  [They were talking through telephones.] . . .  I got these
  bruises in the theater.  They haven't bothered me since.  They are
  treating me all right. . . .  What do you think of the baby?  Well, it was
  a girl, and I wanted a boy, but you know how that goes. . . .  I don't
  know what is going on.  I just don't know what they are talking about. . .
  .  Don't believe all the so-called evidence."  When Robert Oswald looked
  into Lee's eyes for some clue, Lee said to him, "Brother, you won't find
  anything there. . . .  My friends will take care of Marina and the two
  children."  When Robert Oswald stated that he didn't believe the Paines
  were friends of Lee's, he answered back, "Yes, they are. . . .  Junie
  needs a new pair of shoes."
    (Robert Oswald told the Warren Commission, "To me his answers were
  mechanical, and I was not talking to the Lee I knew.")


  3:40 P.M.  Lee Harvey Oswald Calls Mrs. Ruth Paine

    "This is Lee.  Would you please call John Abt in New York for me after
  6:00 P.M.  The number for his office is ___________, and his residence is
  _______________ . . . .  Thank you for your concern."


  5:30 - 5:35 P.M.  Visit with H. Louis Nichols, President of the Dallas
                    Bar Association

    "Well, I really don't know what this is all about, that I have been kept
  incarcerated and kept incommunicado. . . .  Do you know a lawyer in New
  York named John Abt?  I believe in New York City.  I would like to have
  him represent me.  That is the man I would like.  Do you know any lawyers
  who are members of the American Civil Liberties Union?  I am a member of
  that organization, and I would like to have somebody who is a member of
  that organization represent me."  Mr. Nichols offered to help find a
  lawyer, but Oswald said, "No, not now.  You might come back next week, and
  if I don't get some of these other people to assist me, I might ask you to
  get somebody to represent me."


  6:00 - 6:30 P.M.  Interrogation, Captain Fritz's Office

    "In time I will be able to show you that this is not my picture, but I
  don't want to answer any more questions. . . .  I will not discuss this
  photograph [which was used on the cover of Feb. 21, 1964 "Life" magazine]
  without advice of an attorney. . . .  There was another rifle in the
  building.  I have seen it.  Warren Caster had two rifles, a 30.06 Mauser
  and a .22 for his son. . . .  That picture is not mine, but the face is
  mine.  The picture has been made by superimposing my face.  The other part
  of the picture is not me at all, and I have never seen this picture
  before.  I understand photography real well, and that, in time, I will be
  able to show you that is not my picture and that it has been made by
  someone else. . . .  It was entirely possible that the Police Dept. has
  superimposed this part of the photograph over the body of someone else. .
  . .  The Dallas Police were the culprits. . . .  The small picture was
  reduced from the larger one, made by some persons unknown to me. . . .
  Since I have been photographed at City Hall, with people taking my picture
  while being transferred from the office to the jail door, someone has been
  able to get a picture of my face, and with that, they have made this
  picture. . . .  I never kept a rifle at Mrs. Paine's garage at Irving,
  Tex. . . .  We had no visitors at our apartment on North Beckley. . . .  I
  have no receipts for purchase of any gun, and I have never ordered any
  guns.  I do not own a rifle, never possessed a rifle. . . .  I will not
  say who wrote A. J. Hidell on my Selective Service card.  [It was later
  confirmed that Marina Oswald wrote in the name Hidell.] . . .  I will not
  tell you the purpose of carrying the card or the use I made of it. . . .
  The address book in my possession has the names of Russian immigrants in
  Dallas, Tex., whom I have visited."


  9:30 P.M.  Lee Harvey Oswald Calls His Wife, Marina, at Mrs. Paine's Home

    "Marina, please.  Would you try to locate her?"  (Marina had moved.)


  10:00 P.M.  Office of Captain Fritz

    "Life is better for the colored people in Russia than it is in the U.S."


  9:30 - 11:15 A.M.,  SUNDAY MORNING, NOV. 24,1963  Interrogation in Capt.
                      Will Fritz's Office

    "After the assassination, a policeman or some man came rushing into the
  School Book Depository Building and said, `Where is your telephone?'  He
  showed me some kind of credential and identified himself, so he might not
  have been a police officer. . . .  `Right there,' I answered, pointing to
  the phone. . . .  `Yes, I can eat lunch with you,' I told my co-worker,
  `but I can't go right now.  You go and take the elevator, but send the
  elevator back up.'  [The elevator in the building was broken.] . . .
  After all this commotion started, I just went downstairs and started to
  see what it was all about.  A police officer and my superintendent of the
  place stepped up and told officers that I am one of the employees in the
  building. . . .  If you ask me about the shooting of Tippit, I don't know
  what you are talking about. . . .  The only thing I am here for is because
  I popped a policeman in the nose in the theater on Jefferson Avenue, which
  I readily admit I did, because I was protecting myself. . . .  I learned
  about the job vacancy at the Texas School Book Depository from people in
  Mrs. Paine's neighborhood. . . .  I visited my wife Thursday night, Nov.
  21, whereas I normally visited her over the weekend, because Mrs. Paine
  was giving a party for the children on the weekend.  They were having a
  houseful of neighborhood children.  I didn't want to be around at such a
  time. . . .  Therefore, my weekly visit was on Thursday night instead of
  on the weekend. . . .  It didn't cost much to go to Mexico.  It cost me
  some $26, a small, ridiculous amount to eat, and another ridiculous small
  amount to stay all night. . . .  I went to the Mexican Embassy to try to
  get this permission to go to Russia by way of Cuba. . . .  I went to the
  Mexican Consulate in Mexico City.  I went to the Russian Embassy to go to
  Russia by way of Cuba.  They told me to come back in `thirty days.' . . .
  I don't recall the shape, it may have been a small sack, or a large sack;
  you don't always find one that just fits your sandwiches. . . .  The sack
  was in the car, beside me, on my lap, as it always is. . . .  I didn't get
  it crushed.  It was not on the back seat.  Mr. Frazier must have been
  mistaken or else thinking about the other time when he picked me up. . . .
  The Fair Play for Cuba Committee was a loosely organized thing and we had
  no officers.  Probably you can call me the secretary of it because I did
  collect money.  [Oswald was the only member in New Orleans.] . . .  In New
  York City they have a well-organized, or a better, organization. . . .
  No, not at all:  I didn't intend to organize here in Dallas;  I was too
  busy trying to get a job. . . .  If anyone else was entitled to get mail
  in P.O. Box 6525 at the Terminal Annex in New Orleans, the answer is no. .
  . .  The rental application said Fair Play for Cuba Committee and the
  American Civil Liberties Union.  Maybe I put them on there. . . .  It is
  possible that on rare occasions I may have handed one of the keys to my
  wife to get my mail, but certainly nobody else. . . .  I never ordered a
  rifle under the name of Hidell, Oswald, or any other name. . . .  I never
  permitted anyone else to order a rifle to be received in this box. . . .
  I never ordered any rifle by mail order or bought any money order for the
  purpose of paying for such a rifle. . . .  I didn't own any rifle.  I have
  not practiced or shot with a rifle. . . .  I subscribe to two publications
  from Russia, one being a hometown paper published in Minsk, where I met
  and married my wife. . . .  We moved around so much that it was more
  practical to simply rent post office boxes and have mail forwarded from
  one box to the next rather than going through the process of furnishing
  changes of address to the publishers. . . .  Marina Oswald and A. J.
  Hidell were listed under the caption of persons entitled to receive mail
  through my box in New Orleans. . . .  I don't recall anything about the
  A. J. Hidell being on the post office card. . . .  I presume you have
  reference to a map I had in my room with some X's on it.  I have no
  automobile.  I have no means of conveyance.  I have to walk from where I
  am going most of the time.  I had my applications with the Texas
  Employment Commission.  They furnished me names and addresses of places
  that had openings like I might fill, and neighborhood people had
  furnished me information on jobs I might get. . . .  I was seeking a job,
  and I would put these markings on this map so I could plan my itinerary
  around with less walking.  Each one of these X's represented a place where
  I went and interviewed for a job. . . .  You can check each one of them
  out if you want to. . . .  The X on the intersection of Elm and Houston is
  the location of the Texas School Book Depository.  I did go there and
  interview for a job.  In fact, I got the job there.  That is all the map
  amounts to.  [Ruth Paine later stated she had marked Lee's map.] . . .
  What religion am I?  I have no faith, I suppose you mean, in the Bible.  I
  have read the Bible.  It is fair reading, but not very interesting.  As a
  matter of fact, I am a student of philosophy and I don't consider the
  Bible as even a reasonable or intelligent philosophy.  I don't think of
  it. . . .  I told you I haven't shot a rifle since the Marines, possibly a
  small bore, maybe a .22, but not anything larger since I have left the
  Marine Corps. . . .  I never received a package sent to me through the
  mailbox in Dallas, Box No. 2915, under the name of Alek Hidell, absolutely
  not. . . .  Maybe my wife, but I couldn't say for sure whether my wife
  ever got this mail, but it is possible she could have."  Oswald was told
  that an attorney offered to assist him, and he answered, "I don't
  particularly want him, but I will take him if I can't do any better, and
  will contact him at a later date. . . .  I have been a student of Marxism
  since the age of 14. . . .  American people will soon forget the President
  was shot, but I didn't shoot him. . . .  Since the President was killed,
  someone else would take his place, perhaps Vice-President Johnson.  His
  views about Cuba would probably be largely the same as those of President
  Kennedy. . . .  I never lived on Neely Street.  These people are mistaken
  about visiting there, because I never lived there. . . .  It might not be
  proper to answer further questions, because what I say might be construed
  in a different light than what I actually meant it to be. . . .  When the
  head of any government dies, or is killed, there is always a second in
  command who would take over. . . .  I did not kill President Kennedy or
  Officer Tippit.  If you want me to cop out to hitting or pleading guilty
  to hitting a cop in the mouth when I was arrested, yeah, I plead guilty to
  that.  But I do deny shooting both the President and Tippit."


  11:10 A.M.  Preparation for Oswald's Transfer to County Jail

    "I would like to have a shirt from clothing that was brought to the
  office to wear over the T-shirt I am wearing. . . .  I prefer wearing a
  black Ivy League-type shirt, which might be a little warmer.  I don't want
  a hat. . . .  I will just take one of those sweaters, the black one."


  11:15 A.M.  Inspector Thomas J. Kelley, U.S. Secret Service, Has Final
              Conversation with Lee Harvey Oswald

    Kelley approached Oswald, out of the hearing of others, except perhaps
  Captain Fritz's men, and said that as a Secret Service agent, he was
  anxious to talk with him as soon as he secured counsel, because Oswald was
  charged with the assassination of the President but had denied it.  Oswald
  said, "I will be glad to discuss this proposition with my attorney, and
  that after I talk with one, we could either discuss it with him or discuss
  it with my attorney, if the attorney thinks it is a wise thing to do, but
  at the present time I have nothing more to say to you."


  11:21 A.M.  Lee Harvey Oswald Was Fatally Wounded by Jack Ruby




NASA; Masonic Conspiracy

NASA Masonic Conspiracy
Apollo Missions Masonic Symbols An excerpt from Wm Cooper's site HYPERLINK "http://www.williamcooper.com/majestyt.htm" http://www.williamcooper.com/majestyt.htm To make interstellar travel believable NASA was created. The Apollo Space Program foisted the idea that man could travel to, and walk upon, the moon. Every Apollo mission was carefully rehearsed and then filmed in large sound stages at the Atomic Energy Commissions Top Secret test site in the Nevada Desert and in a secured and guarded sound stage at the Walt Disney Studios within which was a huge scale mock-up of the moon. All names, missions, landing sites, and events in the Apollo Space Program echoed the occult metaphors, rituals, and symbology of the Illuminati's secret religion. The most transparent was the faked explosion on the spacecraft Apollo 13, named "Aquarius" (new age) at 1:13 (1313 military time) on April 13, 1970 which was the metaphor for the initiation ceremony involving the death (explosion), placement in the coffin (period of uncertainty of their survival), communion with the spiritual world and the imparting of esoteric knowledge to the candidate (orbit and observation of the moon without physical contact), rebirth of the initiate (solution of problem and repairs), and the raising up (of the Phoenix, the new age of Aquarius) by the grip of the lions paw (reentry and recovery of Apollo 13). 13 is the number of death and rebirth, death and reincarnation, sacrifice, the Phoenix, the Christ (perfected soul imprisoned in matter), and the transition from the old to the new. Another revelation to those who understand the symbolic language of the Illuminati is the hidden meaning of the names of the Space Shuttles, "A Colombian Enterprise to Endeavor for the Discovery of Atlantis... and all Challengers shall be destroyed." Exploration of the moon stopped because it was impossible to continue the hoax without being ultimately discovered. And of course they ran out of pre-filmed episodes. No man has ever ascended higher than 300 miles, if that high, above the Earth's surface. No man has ever orbited, landed on, or walked upon the moon in any publicly known space program. If man has ever truly been to the moon it has been done in secret and with a far different technology. The tremendous radiation encountered in the Van Allen Belt, solar radiation, cosmic radiation, temperature control, and many other problems connected with space travel prevent living organisms leaving our atmosphere with our known level of technology. Any intelligent high school student with a basic physics book can prove NASA faked the Apollo moon landings If you doubt this please explain how the astronauts walked upon the moons surface enclosed in a space suit in full sunlight absorbing a minimum of 265 degrees of heat surrounded by a vacuum. NASA tells us the moon has no atmosphere and that the astronauts were surrounded by the vacuum of space. Heat is defined as the vibration or movement of molecules within matter. The faster the molecular motion the higher the temperature. The slower the molecular motion the colder the temperature. Absolute zero is that point where all molecular motion ceases. In order to have hot or cold molecules must be present. A vacuum is a condition of nothingness where there are no molecules. Vacuums exist in degrees. Some scientists tell us that there is no such thing as an absolute vacuum. Space is the closest thing to an absolute vacuum that is known to us. There are so few molecules present in most areas of what we know as "space" that any concept of "hot" or "cold" is impossible to measure. A vacuum is a perfect insulator. That is why a "Thermos" or vacuum bottle is used to store hot or cold liquids in order to maintain the temperature for the longest time possible without re-heating or re-cooling. Radiation of all types will travel through a vacuum but will not affect the vacuum. Radiant heat from the sun travels through the vacuum of space but does not "warm" space. In fact the radiant heat of the sun has no affect whatsoever until it strikes matter. Molecular movement will increase in direct proportion to the radiant energy which is absorbed by matter. The time it takes to heat matter exposed to direct sunlight in space is determined by its color, its elemental properties, its distance from the sun, and its rate of absorption of radiant heat energy. Space is NOT hot. Space is NOT cold. Objects which are heated cannot be cooled by space. In order for an object to cool it must first be removed from direct sunlight. Objects which are in the shadow of another object will eventually cool but not because space is "cold". Space is not cold. Hot and cold do not exist in the vacuum of space. Objects cool because the laws of motion dictate that the molecules of the object will slow down due to the resistance resulting from striking other molecules until eventually all motion will stop provided the object is sheltered from the direct and/or indirect radiation of the sun and that there is no other source of heat. Since the vacuum of space is the perfect insulator objects take a very long time to cool even when removed from all sources of heat, radiated or otherwise. NASA insists the space suits the astronauts supposedly wore on the lunar surface were air conditioned. An air conditioner cannot, and will not work without a heat exchanger. A heat exchanger simply takes heat gathered in a medium such as freon from one place and transfers it to another place. This requires a medium of molecules which can absorb and transfer the heat such as an atmosphere or water. An air conditioner will not and cannot work in a vacuum. A space suit surrounded by a vacuum cannot transfer heat from the inside of the suit to any other place. The vacuum, remember, is a perfect insulator. A man would roast in his suit in such a circumstance. NASA claims the spacesuits were cooled by a water system which was piped around the body, then through a system of coils sheltered from the sun in the backpack. NASA claims that water was sprayed on the coils causing a coating of ice to form. The ice then supposedly absorbed the tremendous heat collected in the water and evaporated into space. There are two problems with this that cannot be explained away. 1) The amount of water needed to be carried by the astronauts in order to make this work for even a very small length of time in the direct 55 degrees over the boiling point of water (210 degrees F at sea level on Earth) heat of the sun could not have possibly been carried by the astronauts. 2) NASA has since claimed that they found ice in moon craters. NASA claims that ice sheltered from the direct rays of the sun will NOT evaporate destroying their own bogus "air conditioning" explanation. Remember this. Think about it the next time you go off in the morning with a "vacuum bottle" filled with hot coffee. Think about it long and hard when you sit down and pour a piping hot cup from your thermos to drink with your lunch four hours later... and then think about it again when you pour the last still very warm cup of coffee at the end of the day. The same laws of physics apply to any vehicle traveling through space. NASA claims that the spacecraft was slowly rotated causing the shadowed side to be cooled by the intense cold of space... an intense cold that DOES NOT EXIST. In fact the only thing that could have been accomplished by a rotation of the spacecraft is a more even and constant heating such as that obtained by rotating a hot dog on a spit. In reality a dish called Astronaut a la Apollo would have been served. At the very least you would not want to open the hatch upon the crafts return. NASA knows better than to claim, in addition, that a water cooling apparatus such as that which they claim cooled the astronauts suits cooled the spacecraft. No rocket could ever have been launched with the amount of water needed to work such a system for even a very short period of time. Fresh water weighs a little over 62 lbs. per cubic foot. Space and weight capacity were critical given the lift capability of the rockets used in the Apollo Space Program. No such extra water was carried by any mission whatsoever for suits or for cooling the spacecraft. On the tapes the Astronauts complained bitterly of the cold during their journey and while on the surface of the moon. They spoke of using heaters that did not give off enough heat to overcome the intense cold of space. It was imperative that NASA use this ruse because to tell the truth would TELL THE TRUTH. It is also proof of the arrogance and contempt in which the Illuminati holds the common man. What we heard is in reality indicative of an over zealous cooling system in the props used during the filming of the missions at the Atomic Energy Commissions Nevada desert test site, where it is common to see temperatures well over 100 degrees. In the glaring unfiltered direct heat of the sun the Astronauts could never have been cold at any time whatsoever in the perfect insulating vacuum of space. NASA claims that the space suits worn by the astronauts were pressurized at 5 psi over the ambient pressure (0 psi vacuum) on the moon's surface. We have examined the gloves NASA claims the astronauts wore and find they are made of pliable material containing no mechanical, hydraulic, or electrical devices which would aid the astronauts in the dexterous use of their fingers and hands while wearing the gloves. Experiments prove absolutely that such gloves are impossible to use and that the wearer cannot bend the wrist or fingers to do any dexterous work whatsoever when filled with 5 psi over ambient pressure either in a vacuum or in the earth's atmosphere. NASA actually showed film and television footage of astronauts using their hands and fingers normally during their EVAs on the so-called lunar surface. The films show clearly that there is no pressure whatsoever within the gloves... a condition that would have caused explosive decompression of the astronauts resulting in almost immediate death if they had really been surrounded by the vacuum of space. If you don't believe it try it yourself... it is a very simple experiment and does not require a rocket scientist to perform. These are just two of over a hundred very simple and very easy to prove valid scientific reasons why NASA and the Apollo Space Program are two of the biggest lies ever foisted upon the unsuspecting and trusting People of the world. In addition most, if not all, of the photos, films, and videotape of the Apollo Moon Missions are easily proven to be fake. Anyone with the slightest knowledge of photography, lighting, and physics can easily prove that NASA faked the visual records of the Apollo Space Program. Some are so obviously fake that when the discrepancies are pointed out to unsuspecting viewers an audible gasp has been heard. Some have actually gone into a mild state of shock. Some People break down and cry. I have seen others become so angry that they have ripped the offending photos to shreds while screaming incoherently. C. Fred Kleinknect, head of NASA at the time of the Apollo Space Program, is now the Sovereign Grand Commander of the Council of the 33rd Degree of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry of the Southern Jurisdiction. It was his reward for pulling it off. All of the first astronauts were Freemasons. There is a photograph in the House of the Temple in Washington DC of Neil Armstrong on the moons surface (supposedly) in his spacesuit holding his Masonic Apron in front of his groin. The effect upon the people of the world was, that if we could go to the moon other creatures from other worlds could travel to our Earth. The escalation of the artificial alien threat scenario since that time is obvious. The recent revelations of the fraudulent nature of NASA and the Apollo space program by the Intelligence Service and others has resulted in a flood of propaganda, television programs, and films designed to keep the sheople trapped in a deep ignorant sleep. The most ambitious are "Apollo 13" and "From the Earth to the Moon", both involving the actor/producer Tom Hanks. The latter opens with a monologue by Mr. Hanks who walks forward revealing a huge representation of the "God" Apollo (Sun, Osiris, lost word, etc.) guiding his chariot pulled by 4 horses through the heavens. End Excerpt from William Cooper's Recent HYPERLINK "http://www.williamcooper.com/majestyt.htm" Conspiracy Overview [Watcher Website wants you folks to keep in mind that Apollo is "Lucifer", and has also been linked to the planet HYPERLINK "http://www.mt.net/~watcher/antimars.html" Mars. 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J. Edgar Hoover Memorandum


emorandum by J.E. Hoover on 11/29/63

   Summary: The second half of this post includes the copy of a memorandum
            written by J. Edgar Hoover immediately after he met w/LBJ in
      the Oval Office seven days after President Kennedy had been
      murdered.  The first half analyzes some of the more remarkable
    details of this memo.




    In 1963, John Edgar Hoover and Lyndon Baines Johnson knew each other
    very well.  They had lived across the street from each other for the
    past 19 years.  A professional bureaucrat of formidable talents, a 29-
    year-old Hoover was appointed director of the Bureau of Investigation
    in 1924 (Hoover added "Federal" to the title in 1935) by then Attorney
    General Harlan F. Stone to clean up a corrupt organization.  During
    WWII, President Roosevelt expanded the FBI's reach charging Hoover with
    investigations of Nazi and Communist activities in the U.S.  The Cold
    War gave the Bureau new power and Hoover new glory.  Hoover's dossiers
    continued to grow as well as his command of Congress, his manipulation
    and intimidation of the press, and his stature in the country.  Hoover
    supplied Joe McCarthy with a great deal of the ammunition which enabled
    McCarthy to sustain his "crusade" far longer than would have been
    possible without Hoover's connivance.
   
    When Robert Kennedy became Attorney General in 1961, Hoover's
    entrenched power-structures suffered a two-year, 10-month setback.
    Long before 1961, Hoover had created a direct channel of communication
    with whoever was the current occupant of the Oval Office--bypassing the
    actual chain of command which went from the President, through the
    Attorney General, to Director of the FBI.

    When LBJ assumed the Presidency, Hoover's direct link into the White
    House was re-established.  Johnson's official relationship with Hoover
    was enhanced by personal friendship as well.  "As majority leader [in
    the Senate], Johnson already had neen receiving a steady stream of
    reports and dossiers from the Director . . . which he prized both as
    a means of controlling difficult senators and as a gratification of
    earthier instincts.  For President Johnson, secrets were in themselves
    perquisites of power . . .  No chief executive praised the Director so
    warmly.  In an executive order exempting Hoover, then sixty nine, from
    compulsory retirement at seventy, Johnson hailed him as `a quiet,
    humble and magnificent public servant . . . a hero to millions of
    citizens and an anathema to all evil men. . . .  The nation cannot
    afford to lose you . . .  No other American, now or in our past, has
    served the cause of justice so faithfully and so well' ("Johnson Hails
    Hoover Service, Waives Compulsory Retirement," NYT, May 9, 1964)."
      -- from "The Age of Surveillance, The Aims and Methods of America's
         Political Intelligence System," by Frank Donner, (c) 1980, Knopf.



    The following memorandum, written by Hoover immediately after his
    meeting with President Johnson, just seven days after the assassination
    of President Kennedy, is a remarkable document to say the least.  There
    is much information imparted in the memo regarding just how fluid and
    unstable the cover story about who killed JFK still was shaping up to be
    at that time.  By analyzing the discrepancies between the story Hoover
    briefed Johnson about on November 29th, and what the final cover story
    handed down by the Warren Commission would claim almost a year later,
    we can better appreciate the degree to which the final "official report"
    was sculpted to fit the constraints the Commission was forced to adhere
    to, regardless of the actual facts of the assassination.


    This document is what is known in bureaucracy-speak as a "memo for the
    record."  It was a customary practice in the upper levels of the
    bureaucracy in the days before electronic technology in Washington, D.C.
    An official of high rank would usually return to her or his office
    after such a meeting and dictate a memorandum of as many details of the
    discussion as could be remembered.  It was a way of recording one's own
    professional dealings for future reference.

    Hoover starts out recounting that Johnson brings up "the proposed group"
    --what will become the Warren Commission--to study the report Hoover is
    trying to complete by the end of the same day.  This has been initiated
    by Johnson to prevent an independent investigation by Congress of the
    assassination (Reagan tried to do the same thing with the Tower
    Commission).  Johnson would publically announce the creation of the
    Warren Commission later that same day.  This was a critical move by
    Johnson:  by appointing the Warren Commission, they effectively bottled
    up Bobby Kennedy, they bottled up the Senate, and they bottled up Texas.
    The Tower Commission didn't succeed in pre-empting an investigation by
    Congress.  In the end, the Warren Commission didn't either, but it did
    keep the cork in place, preventing any other "official" examination, for
    well over another decade.

    It is interesting to note that of all the people listed at the bottom of
    page one, retired General Lauris Norstad (who had been head of the NATO
    forces at SHAPE headquarters in Europe before his retirement) was the
    only one who somehow succeeded in not serving on this Presidential
    Commission.  Earl Warren did NOT want the job and had sent a memo ahead
    to the Oval Office, before he answered LBJ's summons, stating he would
    not participate in such a commission.  But when push came to shove,
    Johnson's formidable powers of persuasion turned Warren's `no' into a
    `yes.'  Apparently, even such focused persuasion could not win Norstad's
    agreement.

    The six topic bullets at the bottom of page one are file listings.  This
    is important for anyone ever finding themself searching for documents
    from the government through Freedom Of Information Act requests.  This
    type of listing is very useful beccause it lets one know that these
    files exist, and that one might be able to find documents using this
    method which one might not find (or even know about) any other way.

    In the middle of the first paragraph on page 3, Hoover relates how the
    Dallas police didn't even make a move to stop Ruby.  This is a pretty
    heavy line by Hoover.  He implies the Dallas cops must have somehow
    been in collusion to silence Oswald from living to stand trial.  But
    the implication is never fleshed out.

    The second half of page three contains some of the most enlightening
    statements of the whole memo.  Hoover tells Johnson three shots were
    fired.  Johnson asks "if any were fired at him."  This question goes
    a long way towards explaining the duress under which he served as
    president.  LBJ had heard bullets flying overhead--he had been that
    close to the action.  It was completely out of keeping with the
    standard security procedures the Secret Service employed to have any
    such parade appearance be attended by *both* the president and the
    vice president.  Johnson heard the sounds of those guns very clearly
    and the message they conveyed.  He lived out the rest of his public
    life always aware of their possible return.  Not long before he died,
    LBJ was interviewed by his friend and writer Leo Janos.  In the July,
    1973 issue of "The Atlantic Monthly," Janos relates that LBJ told him:

      1. "that the assassination in Dallas had been part of a conspiracy;
      2. "I never believed that Oswald acted alone . . .;
      3. "we had been operating a damned Murder Inc. in the Carribean."

    The presence of the vice president 2 cars behind the president in the
    parade in Dallas was a fundamental breach of the level of security
    normally adhered to by the Secret Service.  He took the experience back
    with him to the White House and never forgot its meaning.  He could
    just as easily be snuffed out if he ever got out of line.

    Then there follows a most curious and confused explanation by Hoover of
    the three shots fired:  "the President was hit by the first and third
    bullets and the second hit the Governor".  Obviously Hoover did not yet
    know about the injury suffered by James Tague.  Tague's face was nicked
    by a bullet fragment (or a fragment from the curb it hit) which missed
    the limousene entirely and struck the curb at his feet, approximately
    160 feet past the location of the president's car.  This shot would end
    up having to be one of "the three bullets fired" in the official story.

    Johnson then explicitly asks again "were they aimed at the President."
    It would appear that LBJ needed repeated assurance by Hoover that no one
    had intended to shoot him.  Hoover then says a mouthful when he states
    "I further advised him that we have also tested the fact you could fire
    those three shots in three seconds."  Apparently they did not yet
    understand the implications of the Zapruder film (or perhaps they were
    confident they would be successful in never allowing the public to gain
    any kind of access to it) and that it would be used as a clock.
   
    Probably the most confused statements Hoover recounts making are when
    he describes for Johnson's benefit how Connally was hit:  "I explained
    that Connally turned to the President when the first shot was fired and
    in that turning he got hit.  The President then asked, if Connally had
    not been in his seat, would the President have been hit by the second
    shot.  I said yes."  All we can conclude about this muddled explanation
    is that Hoover was doing his best to explain things that he himself did
    not understand or appreciate the complexity of.

    Hoover goes on to claim they found the gun and three shells on the fifth
    floor.  As you can see at this point, the number of variations on what
    would become the official cover story are quite numerous.  All of the
    the facts of the assassination were working against them.  They had
    a story all worked out--3 seconds, 3 shots, fifth floor--and yet they
    didn't know the facts.

    Fletcher Prouty commented on this issue to me while we were discussing
    this memo recently.  "It reminds me so much of when the U-2 was lost and
    the guys from NASA began to explain the U-2 flight until a couple of
    days later when somebody told them, `hey--it wasn't a NASA flight, we
    can't do it that way.'  And they began to change the cover story.  But
    then Kruschev said, `Look, I've got the pilot, I know the story.'  The
    U-2 boys used to work across the hall from me--I'd see them coming and
    going--oh they were shattered, because their cover story had been
    totally wrong.  So Hoover is in the same kind of a box here--he is
    trying to explain something that is nothing but a cover story, and
    almost everytime he turns around, he finds there's another hole in it."

    Near the end Johnson extolls the virtues of his relationship to Hoover
    stating "I was more than head of the FBI - I was his brother and personal
    friend;  that he knew I did not want anything to happen to his family;
    that he has more confidence in me than anybody in town."  Pretty
    laudatory words which substantiate the unusally close rapport these two
    men had.  Then Hoover writes that Johnson tells him "he would not embroil
    me in a jurisdictional dispute. . . "  This was the reference to Bobby
    Kennedy and the pre-empting of any other legitimate, independent and
    official investigation that would NOT be under the control of the FBI.
    They would see to it that there would not be the kind of "rash of
    investigations" Hoover said at the beginning of this meeting "would be a
    three-ring circus."
   
    It is a known fact that in his later years Hoover's meglomania
    approached epic proportions.  He had various reasons why he did not want
    any independent investigation which would *not* be dependent upon his
    agency for the collection of data and use of his investigative staff.
    Johnson was feeling quite vulnerable in these first days and was
    very dependent on Hoover to tell him what to do concerning how to
    consolidate his position and "reassure" the nation the assassination
    was not political in any way, but rather the random occurence of a lone
    sick mind.  That was the only approach to take if they wanted to avoid
    having to deal with why Kennedy had been killed.  By de-politicizing
    the assassination, they were able to ignore the basic question of why.

    This memorandum shows that the people in the federal government who were
    responsible for creating the Warren Commission, and giving it only a
    very selected and specific set of "data" by which they reached the
    conclusions that became the official report, that they did not start
    with the final cover story--they created it later because even Hoover
    and Johnson didn't know about it a week after the event.  They were still
    making things up a week later.  It goes back to the old truth that it's a
    big mistake to overestimate the abilities and knowledge of people--even
    in high office.  They can make pretty stupid mistakes and then when they
    have to recant their stories, you are left with the kind of contrivance
    we know as the Warren Report.

                                               --ratitor

--
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                                   yer friendly neighborhood ratman

                               KOYAANISQATSI

   ko.yan.nis.qatsi (from the Hopi Language)  n.  1. crazy life.  2. life
       in turmoil.  3. life out of balance.  4. life disintegrating.
         5. a state of life that calls for another way of living.









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                      UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
                        FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

                                                    WASHINGTON __, D.C.

     1:39 p.m.                                      November 29, 1963

                           MEMORANDUM FOR MR. TOLSON
                                          MR. BELMONT
                                          MR. MOHR
                                          MR. CONRAD
                                          MR. DE LOACH
                                          MR. EVANS
                                          MR. ROSEN
                                          MR. SULLIVAN


        The President called and asked if I am familiar with the proposed
     group they are trying to get to study my report - two from the House,
     two from the Senate, two from the courts, and a couple of outsiders.  I
     replied that I had not heard of that but had seen reports from the
     Senate Investigating Committee.

        The President stated he wanted to get by just with my file and my
     report.  I told him I thought it would be very bad to have a rash of
     investigations.  He then indicated the only way to stop it is to
     appoint a high-level committee to evaluate my report and tell the House
     and Senate not to go ahead with the investigation.  I stated that would
     be a three-ring circus.

        The President then asked what I think about Allen Dulles, and I
     replied that he is a good man.  He then asked about John McCloy, and I
     stated I am not as enthusiastic about McCloy, that he is a good man but
     I am not so certain as to the matter of publicity he might want.  The
     President then mentioned General (Lauris) Norstad, and I said he is a
     good man.  He said in the House he might try (Hale) Boggs and (Gerald
     R.) Ford and in the Senate (Richard B.) Russell and (John Sherman)
     Cooper.  I asked him about Cooper and he indicated Cooper of Kentucky
     whom he described as a judicial man, stating he would not want (Jacob
     K.) Javits.  I agreed on this point.  He then reiterated Ford of
     Michigan, and I indicated I know of him but do not know him and had
     never seen him except on television the other day and that he handled
     himself well on television.  I indicated that I do know Boggs.

    Johnson, President Lyndon B.
    Assassination of President John F. Kennedy
    Presidential Commission on Assassination
       of President John F. Kennedy
    Security - Presidential
    Presidential Conferences
    Presidential Travel Security





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    Memorandum for Messrs. Tolson, Belmont, Mohr,   November 29, 1963
     Conrad, DeLoach, Evans, Rosen, Sullivan


        The President then mentioned that (Walter) Jenkins had told him that
    I have designated Mr. DeLoach to work with them as he had on the Hill.
    He indicated they appreciated that and just wanted to tell me they
    consider Mr. DeLoach as high class as I do, and that they salute me for
    knowing how to pick good men.

        I advised the President that we hope to have the investigation
    wrapped up today but probably won't have it before the first of the week
    as an angle in Mexico is giving trouble - the matter of Oswald's getting
    $6500 from the Cuban Embassy and coming back to this country with it;
    that we are not able to prove that fact;  that we have information he
    was there on September 18 and we are able to prove he was in New Orleans
    on that date;  that a story came in changing the date to September 28
    and he was in Mexico on the 28th.  I related that the police have again
    arrested Duran, a member of the Cuban Embassy;  that they will hold her
    two or three days;  will confront her with the original informant;  and
    will also try a lie detector test on her.

        The President then inquired if I pay any attention to the lie
    detector test.  I answered that I would not pay 100% attention to them;
    that it was only a psychological asset in investigation;  that I would
    not want to be a part of sending a man to the chair on a lie detector
    test.  I explained that we have used them in bank investigations and a
    person will confess before the lie detector test is finished, more or
    less fearful it will show him guilty.  I said the lie detector test has
    this psychological advantage.  I further stated that it is a misnomer to
    call it a lie detector since the evaluation of the chart made by the
    machine is made by a human being and any human being is apt to make the
    wrong interpretation.

        I stated, if Oswald had lived and had take a lie detector test, this
    with the evidence we have would have added that much strength to the
    case;  that these is no question he is the man.

        I also told him that Rubenstein down there has offered to take a lie
    detector test but his lawyer must be consulted first;  that I doubt the
    lawyer will allow him to do so;  that he has a West Coast lawyer
    somewhat like the Edward Bennett Williams type and almost as much of a
    shyster.

        The President asked if we have any relationship between the two
    (Oswald and Rubenstein) as yet.  I replied that at the present time we have


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    Memorandum for Messrs. Tolson, Belmont, Mohr,   November 29, 1963
     Conrad, DeLoach, Evans, Rosen, Sullivan


    not;  that there was a story that the fellow had been in Rubenstein's
    nightclub but it has not been confirmed.  I told the President that
    Rubenstein is a very seedy character, had a bad record - street brawls,
    fights, etc.;  that in Dallas, if a fellow came into his nightclub and
    could not pay his bill completely, Rubenstein would beat him up and
    throw him out;  that he did not drink or smoke;  that he was an
    egomaniac;  that he likes to be in the limelight;  knew all of the
    police officers in the white light district;  let them come in and get
    food and liquor, etc.;  and that is how I think he got into police
    headquarters.  I said if they ever made any move, the pictures did not
    show it even when they saw him approach and he got right up to Oswald
    and pressed the pistol against Oswald's stomach;  that neither officer
    on either side made any effort to grab Rubenstein - not until after the
    pistol was fired.  I said, secondly, the chief of police admits he moved
    Oswald in the morning as a convenience and at the request of motion
    picture people who wanted daylight.  I said insofar as tying Rubenstein
    and Oswald together, we have not yet done so;  that there are a number
    of stories which tied Oswald to the Civil Liberties Union in New York in
    which he applied for membership and to the Fair Play for Cuba Committee
    which is pro-Castro, directed by communists, and financed to some extent
    by the Castro Government.

        The President asked how many shots were fired, and I told him three.
    He then asked if any were fired at him.  I said no, that three shots
    were fired at the President and we have them.  I stated that our
    ballistic experts were able to prove the shots were fired by this gun;
    that the President was hit by the first and third bullets and the second
    hit the Governor;  that there were three shots;  that one complete
    bullet rolled out of the President's head;  that it tore a large part of
    the President's head off;  that in trying to massage his heart on the
    way into the hospital they loosened the bullet which fell on the
    stretcher and we have that.

        He then asked were they aimed at the President.  I replied they were
    aimed at the President, no question about that.

        I further advised him that we have also tested the fact you could
    fire those three shots in three seconds.  I explained that there is a
    story out that there must have been more than one man to fire several
    shots but we have proven it could be done by one man.

        The President then asked how it happened that Connally was hit.  I
    explained that Connally turned to the President when the first shot was
    fired and in that turning he got hit.  The President then asked, if
    Connally had not been in his seat, would the President have been hit by
    the second shot.  I said yes.


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    Memorandum for Messrs. Tolson, Belmont, Mohr,   November 29, 1963
     Conrad, DeLoach, Evans, Rosen, Sullivan


        I related that on the fifth floor of the building where we found the
    gun and the wrapping paper we found three empty shells that had been
    fired and one that had not been fired.  that he had four but didn't fire
    the fourth;  then threw the gun aside;  went down the steps;  was seen
    by a police officer;  the manager told the officer that Oswald was all
    right, worked there;  they let him go;  he got on a bus;  went to his
    home and got a jacket;  then came back downtown, walking;  the police
    officer who was killed stopped him, not knowing who he was;  and he
    fired and killed the police officer.

        The President asked if we can prove that and I answered yes.

        I further related that Oswald then walked another two blocks;  went
    to the theater;  the woman selling tickets was so suspicious - said he
    was carrying a gun when he went into the theater - that she notified the
    police;  the police and our man went in and located Oswald.  I told him
    they had quite a struggle with Oswald but that he was subdued and shown
    out and taken to police headquarters.

        I advised the President that apparently Oswald had come down the
    steps from the fifth floor;  that apparently the elevator was not used.

        The President then indicated our conclusions are:  (1) he is the one
    who did it;  (2) after the President was hit, Governor Connally was hit;
    (3) the President would have been hit three times except for the fact
    that Governor Connally turned after the first shot and was hit by the
    second;  (4) whether he was connected with the Cuban operation with
    money we are trying to nail down.  I told him that is what we are trying
    to nail down;  that we have copies of the correspondence;  that none of
    the letters dealt with any indication of violence or assassination;
    that they were dealing with a visa to go back to Russia.

        I advised the President that his wife had been very hostile, would
    not cooperate and speaks only Russian;  that yesterday she said , if we
    could give assurance she would be allowed to remain in the country, she
    would cooperate;  and that I told our agents to give that assurance and
    sent a Russian-speaking agent to Dallas last night to interview her.  I
    said I do not know whether or not she has any information but we would
    learn what we could.

        The President asked how Oswald had access to the fifth floor of the
    building.  I replied that he had access to all floors.  The President
    asked where was his office and I stated he did not have any particular
    place;  that he


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    Memorandum for Messrs. Tolson, Belmont, Mohr,   November 29, 1963
     Conrad, DeLoach, Evans, Rosen, Sullivan


    was not situated in any particular place;  that he was just a general
    packer of requisitions that came in for books from Dallas schools;  that
    he would have had proper access to the fifth and sixth floors whereas
    usually the employees were down on lower floors.  The President then
    inquired if anybody saw him on the fifth floor, and I stated he was seen
    by one of the workmen before the assassination.

        The President then asked if we got a picture taken of him shooting
    the gun and I said no.  He asked what was the picture sold for $25,000,
    and I advised him this was a picture of the parade showing Mrs. Kennedy
    crawling out of the back seat;  that there was no Secret Service Agent
    on the back of the car;  that in the past they have added steps on the
    back of the car and usually had an agent on either side standing on the
    bumper;  that I did not know why this was not done - that the President
    may have requested it;  that the bubble top was not up but I understand
    the bubble top was not worth anything because it was made entirely of
    plastic;  that I had learned much to my surprise that the Secret Service
    does not have any armored cars.

        The President asked if I have a bulletproof car and I told him I
    most certainly have.  I told him we use it here for my own use and,
    whenever we have any raids, we make use of the bulletproof car on them.
    I explained that it is a limousine which has been armorplated and that
    it looks exactly like any other car.  I stated I think the President
    ought to have a bulletproof car;  that from all I understand the Secret
    Service has had two cars with metal plates underneath the car to take
    care of hand grenades or bombs thrown out on the street.  I said this is
    European;  that there have been several such attempts on DeGaulle's
    life;  but they do not do that in this country;  that all assassinations
    have been with guns;  and for that reason I think very definitely the
    President ought to always ride in a bulletproof car;  that it certainly
    would prevent anything like this ever happening again;  but that I do
    not mean a sniper could not snipe him from a window if he were exposed.

        The President asked if I meant on his ranch he should be in a
    bulletproof car.  I said I would think so;  that the little car we rode
    around in when I was at the ranch should be bulletproofed;  that it
    ought to be done very quietly.  I told him we have four bulletproof cars
    in the Bureau:  one on the West Coast, one in New York and two here.  I
    said this could be done quietly without publicity and without pictures
    taken of it if handled properly and I think he should have one on his
    ranch.


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    Memorandum for Messrs. Tolson, Belmont, Mohr,   November 29, 1963
     Conrad, DeLoach, Evans, Rosen, Sullivan


        The President then asked if I think all the entrances should be
    guarded.  I replied by all means, that he had almost to be in the
    capacity of a so-called prisoner because without that security anything
    could be done.  I told him lots of phone calls had been received over
    the last four or five days about threats on his life;  that I talked to
    the Attorney General about the funeral procession from the White House
    to the Cathedral;  that I was opposed to it.  The President remarked
    that the Secret Service told them not to but the family wanted to do it.
    I stated that was what the Attorney General told me but I was very much
    opposed to it.  I further related that I saw the procession from the
    Capitol to the White House on Pennsylvania and, while they had police
    standing on the curbs, when the parade came, the police turned around
    and looked at the parade.

        The President then stated he is going to take every precaution he
    can;  that he wants to talk to me;  and asked if I would put down my
    thoughts.  He stated I was more than head of the FBI - I was his brother
    and personal friend;  that he knew I did not want anything to happen to
    his family;  that he has more confidence in me than anybody in town;
    that he would not embroil me in a jurisdictional dispute;  but that he
    did want to have my thoughts on the matter to advocate as his own
    opinion.

        I stated I would be glad to do this for him and that I would do
    anything I can.  The President expressed his appreciation.

                                       Very truly yours,

                                       [signed J. E. H.]

                                       John Edgar Hoover
                                          Director










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